Human Evolution Podcast with Jodi Tala — Integrative Neuro-Regulation Coach

02. Why You Keep Repeating Patterns You Already Understand

June 09, 202618 min read

Episode 2 | Why You Keep Repeating Patterns You Already Understand | 9th June 2026  |  4 min

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You can see the pattern. You've named it, traced it back, probably talked about it for years. And it still keeps happening.

This episode is about why, and it's not what most people tell you. The gap between knowing and doing lies within your nervous system. It not a willpower, discipline, or a self-awareness problem.

We break down what's actually running underneath the pattern across four layers (The 4 Show Runners), and what has to change for new behaviour to hold under real-life pressure.

It's for the self-aware, heart-led humans and who understand themselves well yet keep landing in the same reactions, decisions, and cycles, and are done accepting that as just the way they are. If you've ever thought "I know better than this, so why do I keep doing it?", this one's for you.

IN THIS EPISODE

Understanding a pattern and changing it are two different things You can name the pattern, trace it back, and talk about it for years, and it can still keep finding you. That isn't a willpower or discipline failing. The pattern lives in your nervous system, not in your understanding of it, which is why insight alone doesn't typically create the change you're seeking. 

There are four layers running underneath your behaviour, not one Most coaching and therapy works in a single layer. Reach only one or two and the pattern stays. Real change needs all four of The 4 Show Runners working together, which is what this episode lays out.

You can't talk your way out of something that was never stored in words When a stored pattern is triggered, the brain's language centre goes partly offline, shown in van der Kolk's neuroimaging work. The experience lives below language, so cognitive approaches alone only get you so far. That pattern needs a different pathway in, through the body and the nervous system, not just the mind.

Lasting change is biological, and it needs all four layers at once Your brain defaults to the old pattern because it's a fast, familiar highway, and efficiency is survival. Real change means breaking up that highway through synaptic pruning while building a new route through Hebbian learning (neurons that fire together wire together). Do that across all four layers, beliefs and values included, and the rubber band stops snapping back. That's not a mindset shift, it's a biological process.

THE 4 SHOW RUNNERS Meet The 4 Show Runners, the foundation of the Neuro-Regulation Method™. Real, lasting change needs all four working together.

  1. The CEO (prefrontal cortex): the most recently evolved part of the brain, responsible for rational thought, decision making, and emotional regulation. Most cognitive approaches work only here, which is why they get you so far and no further.

  2. The Guard Dog (amygdala): the brain's threat detection centre. It fires faster than conscious thought and can't tell a real threat from a perceived one. When it activates, it partly takes the CEO offline.

  3. The Apps (somatic and implicit memory): the nervous system stores incomplete stress responses as conditioned patterns below conscious thought. Van der Kolk's research showed that when these are triggered, the brain's language centre goes offline, which is why you can't talk your way out of them.

  4. The Operating System (beliefs and values): the foundation everything else runs on. If the OS hasn't been updated, new patterns keep conflicting with the old programming, even after the cognitive and somatic work is done.

The Highway (Neuroplasticity and Hebbian learning): breaking up the old highway by pruning unused neural connections, while building the new route by myelinating new pathways through repetition, is the biological process of lasting change.

NOTABLE QUOTES

"Until your internal world changes, your external world will keep showing up the same way."

"You can't talk your way out of something that was never processed through language in the first place."

"The pattern isn't chasing you because you're broken. It's chasing you because most approaches only ever reach one or two of these layers."

TIMESTAMPS

  • 00:00 The Spark

  • 00:25 Intro

  • 01:00 The feeling of being here again

  • 03:19 Layer 1: The CEO

  • 04:30 Layer 2: The Guard Dog

  • 06:30 Layer 3: The Apps

  • 10:14 Layer 4: The Operating System

  • 12:00 The Highway

  • 14:50 Wrap up and Outro

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KEY REFERENCES

  • van der Kolk, B. A. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. Viking Press.

  • Levine, P. A., & Frederick, A. (1997). Waking the tiger: Healing trauma — the innate capacity to transform overwhelming experiences. North Atlantic Books.

  • LeDoux, J., (1999). The Emotional Brain: The Mysterious Underpinnings of Emotional Life. The Quarterly Review of Biology, 74(4), 505–505. https://doi.org/10.1086/394219

  • Hebb, D. O. (2003). The organization of behavior : a neuropsychological theory (1st ed.). L. Erlbaum Associates. https://doi.org/10.4324/9781410612403

  • Hill, N. (2011). Outwitting the devil: The secret to freedom and success (S. L. Lechter, Ed.). Sterling Publishing.

COMING UP NEXT
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TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00]
The Spark

It keeps finding you. No matter how much you've tried to shake it, you changed your approach, started fresh, thought you were done. Like you changed your number, moved house, began again kind of thing. And somehow, it still finds you. Until your internal world changes, your external world will keep showing up the same way

[00:01:00]
Why do patterns keep finding you?

so let's talk about why. Because if you're anything like the people that I work with, you've been here before, and you know exactly what this moment feels like. That sense of dread when you realize, "I'm here again. I've done it again." That frustration of it, "I thought I've dealt with this. Why is this back?"

The sadness that creeps in underneath that, that quiet, heavy thought that maybe it's never actually going to go away or leave. It's just gonna keep following you around, and around, and around, no matter what you do or where you go. And even sometimes it can be a feeling of desperation. That part of you that just wants to leave it all behind, start completely fresh somewhere new.

Not because running away is the answer, but because the idea of finally getting some relief, [00:02:00] of not having this thing show up again and again feels worth almost anything

it's that tightness in your chest, that unsettled feeling that you can't shake. It's your mind that just won't stop, won't slow down, won't let you rest, because the moment things go quiet, the thoughts come. And right now, those thoughts don't always feel safe.

Underneath all of it, the thing that you won't say out loud to anyone, that feeling that maybe, just maybe there's something fundamentally wrong with you, and that you're broken in a way that just can't be fixed.

That if you were more or different or better, that this just wouldn't keep happening.

Now I want you to hear this and let it settle in your spirit, in your soul. There is nothing wrong with you. What's happening has a very specific explanation, and that's [00:03:00] exactly what this episode is about. All right, so I'd like to put this into four layers. Most approaches that you'll go through, through coaching, therapy, mentoring, whatever it might be that you're doing, usually only sort of sit in one of these layers.

So I wanna go through them with you.

Layer One - The CEO

Layer one is what we call the thinking brain. This is your prefrontal cortex, and I want you to think of it, and you're gonna hear me reference this as your CEO. It's sitting right there behind your forehead, and it's the most recently evolved part of your brain. It's smart, it's rational, it's self-aware.

It makes decisions, it sets intentions, it understands consequences. It's also responsible for a part of emotional regulation, that part that helps you pause and assess and respond rather than just react. When you're reading or reflecting or making sense of your patterns, that's also your CEO at work.

Most approaches that you'll go through or have [00:04:00] previously been through live in this space, so they give you better thinking, better frameworks, better understanding, self-awareness, some insight, and the CEO genuinely takes all of it in, receives all of it, but the CEO doesn't run the whole building. All right, so layer one is the CEO, prefrontal cortex.

Layer Two - The Guard Dog

Layer two is our alarm system. This is deeper inside our brain, and it sits in the amygdala. And think of this, and you'll hear me refer to this as the guard dog or your guard dog. It's been protecting this building, this whole entire building long before the CEO even arrived.

Scanning constantly for threat, responding to danger, keeping you safe. That's the guard dog's job, is to keep you safe. And unlike the CEO, the guard dog doesn't wait for a meeting to catch up to go, "Hey, what do we do about this?" It acts fast before the CEO [00:05:00] even knows what's happening. So when something emotionally charged comes up, right?

A hard conversation or a moment of conflict, a situation that feels familiar in a way that you can't quite explain, the guard dog is on standby at attack

When something emotionally charged happens within your life, and that might be like a hard conversation or a moment of conflict, a situation that feels familiar in a way you can't quite explain, that guard dog of yours is gonna fire. It's gonna attack, and suddenly you're reacting from somewhere older and faster than any insight you've ever had.

This is your wiring. It's not weakness, and it's not brokenness. It is your wiring. And here's what makes this important. The guard dog doesn't distinguish between a real threat or a perceived one. It responds to familiar patterns the same way it responds to actual danger.

So if a situation feels like something that hurt you in the [00:06:00] past, that's hurt you before, even if it's completely different in the reality that you're currently in, the guard dog is going to fire anyway. It's gonna attack anyway. And here's the kicker. When the guard dog is running the show, the CEO goes kinda partially offline.

The very part of your brain responsible for rational thought and emotional regulation gets overdriven by the part that's been wired for survival. So now we've got the CEO upstairs with all this insight and the guard dog at the door firing way before the CEO can intervene. The CEO has, like, left the building.

Layer three - The Apps

But then we've got a third layer, and this one runs even deeper. This is layer three, and this is considered the software, or we call it the apps. All right... so your nervous system doesn't just process experiences, it stores them, and how it stores them is important because it explains so much about the why the pattern keeps finding you, [00:07:00] that it keeps turning up.

Emotional Regulation Stress Cycle Completion

So firstly, I wanna say, if you watch an animal in the wild after a threatening experience, once that danger passes, it'll shake. You'll see it just shake its whole entire body, literally trembles. That's the nervous system of the animal completing the stress cycle. It's discharging all that excess energy that was mobilized for survival that it needed and returning the body to baseline.

Us humans don't tend to do that. Because of our highly developed CEO, that's prefrontal cortex, it overrides that instinctive discharge. We hold it together. Mostly because we learned early, whether consciously or not, that those big emotional responses weren't safe or welcome.

So we stopped completing that cycle. We're told to not express our feelings. We're not allowed to cry. We push our feelings under the rug. Sweep our feelings under the rug, rather. But all that activated energy [00:08:00] has to go somewhere, and what doesn't get discharged typically gets encoded, not as a story or a memory that you can narrate. More like a conditioned response running automatically in the background below conscious thought. Think of it like an app on your phone. This is why we call this layer the apps. Downloaded at some point by an experience or an environment that you were in, and whatever was needed at the time, and it did its job, and it protected you.

That app was doing its thing, right. But nobody updated the app, so it's still running automatically in a completely different environment long after the original conditions that created it have passed. So I want you to think of the app as the actual response. It's like the doing thing, all right... it's gonna fire off something.

So the, the guard dog fires, and then the app responds, and the app runs, and the app gives you something to do, and you're gonna do it. And this is where this layer is a little bit harder to reach than most. So van der Kolk's neuroimaging research, and most of you have probably read or heard of The Body Keeps the [00:09:00] Score, but his research showed that when these stored patterns are triggered, the Broca's area, which is the language center of the brain, actually kinda goes offline.

So you become, literally speechless. The experience lives below language, and I share this with you because you can't talk your way out of something that was never processed through language in the first place. And this is why cognitive approaches alone will only get you so far.

So your cognitive approaches at that layer one, it's that CEO layer, remember? So that's where our language centers live. It's where our understanding and our executive functioning and things like that are. But this pattern isn't living in your understanding of it. It's living in your nervous system, and it requires a completely different pathway in.

That's why some things you can approach and you can clear via cognitive route, no problems. But other things you can't, and that's why that pattern is showing up time and time again.

All right, so we've got the CEO, layer one upstairs. We've got the guard dog at the door, that's layer two. We've got the app running in the [00:10:00] background, which is layer three, and that's the thing that you do. It's your response or reaction. Okay, but we've got one more layer that sits underneath all of this, and this is the thing that determines what can actually run and what can't.

Layer Four - The OS

And layer four is what I like to call the operating system. This is your beliefs and your values. And the OS or the operating system doesn't run the programs itself. It doesn't run the apps, but it determines the environment that they operate in.

So your unconscious mind is always running a background check against it. Does this new version of me match what I believe to be true? Does it align what I value? Does it fit with my identity? If the answer is no, even unconsciously, there will create a conflict every time. You can do the cognitive work, you can do the somatic work.

So the cognitive work is that CEO territory, that layer one approach. You can do the somatic work, which is like your layer two and layer three approaches. You can delete the old app, [00:11:00] download a new one, you can even try and upgrade it. But if the operating system hasn't been updated, if it's still carrying the old programming about who you are, what you're worth, what's safe, what's possible the new app keeps conflicting with what's underneath, and it won't run properly.

The Law of Hypnotic Rhythm

Some of you may have heard this being called the law of hypnotic rhythm.

It's the pull towards the familiar, towards the identity that's been reinforced over the years, and the operating system keeps reverting to this last saved version. Beliefs and values aren't just thoughts. They're the foundation that everything else runs on, and they need updating alongside everything else.

The 4 Show Runners

So we've got the CEO, layer one upstairs. We've got the guard dog at the door, layer two. We've got the app running in the background, layer three, and then we've got the operating system underneath it all, layer four. Now, what do we actually need to have happen to change it?

The Highway - Neuroplasticity

This [00:12:00] is where I wanna introduce what I like to call the highway. Your brain is one of the most energy efficient devices on the planet. It loves a highway. It's fast, familiar, and it's zero effort required

So that pattern that you've been running over and over again, that is one of your highways, built over years of repetition, reinforced every time the guard dog fired, every time that old app ran its program, and every time the operating system reverted to the last saved version or hasn't been updated yet.

And your brain will take that highway every single time it can, because efficiency is survival, and your brain knows it's kept you safe in the past, and it'll continue to do so, or so it thinks.

Rubber Band Homeostasis

Now, I want you to think about a rubber band, and if you stretch a rubber band towards something new and then let it go, it snaps straight back.

And your nervous system, think of this as your nervous system defaulting to the highway, not because change is impossible, but because the old road, that highway, is [00:13:00] still there, still fast, and still familiar. It's got that elasticity. So this is a part of what we call neuroplasticity and homeostasis.

In my experience working with people, the law of hypnotic rhythm is one of the most underestimated forces in personal change. The pull towards the known is relentless until you do something about it at the right level.

Creating lasting change

So what needs to happen? Two things at the same time. You wanna break up the old highway. Neuroscience calls this synaptic pruning. The brain eliminates neural connections that aren't being used anymore. So when you stop firing the old pattern, when you work with the nervous system to process what's been stored there, and when you update the operating system, those connections actually start to weaken.

It's literally called use it or lose it biology. And simultaneously, you need to build the new route. This is Hebbian learning. Neurons that fire together, wire together. So every time you activate a new pattern under the right [00:14:00] conditions, new thoughts, new responses, new embodied experience, you're laying new neural pathways. With repetition and integration, the myelin sheath wraps around those pathways, wraps around the axons of the nerve, speeding up their signal.

The new route gets faster, more automatic, and more default. And over time, that becomes the new highway. Your old highway is disintegrated at the same time. You can't access it. You can't fire that pattern anymore. You have effectively created change.

That's not a mindset shift. That's a biological process, and it requires all four layers working together, the CEO, the guard dog, the app, the operating system. Because updating one without the others is why that rubber band keeps snapping back. You can't start to disintegrate that highway and build a new route whilst that band is still in place.

Wrapping up

So what do we take away from this today? The pattern isn't chasing you because you're broken. It isn't chasing you because you haven't tried hard enough or done enough [00:15:00] work. It's chasing you because most approaches only ever reach one or two of these layers, and the real lasting change needs all four.

The CEO needs new information. The guard dog needs retraining. The apps need updating, possibly even deleting and reinstalling, and the operating system needs to be brought into alignment with who you're actually becoming. When all four of these things happen together, that's when the highway starts to break up.

That's when the new route starts to form, and that's when that rubber band just stops snapping back. And this is what we're gonna get into within this show. More on this.

So the next episode, we're gonna talk about people pleasing, and now that you understand what's actually kind of running underneath your behavior, the conversation that we're gonna have around this is gonna possibly be a little bit different to what you've heard before, because people pleasing isn't just a personality trait.

It isn't a character flaw either, and it isn't something you just need to push through. But it is actually a conditioned [00:16:00] nervous system response, and it has a very specific explanation and a way around starting to change it. So we'll see you there.


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Jodi Tala

Jodi Tala

Jodi Tala is an Integrative Neuro-Regulation Coach whose work focuses on nervous system capacity, emotional regulation, grit, and resilience, helping people create change that holds under real-world pressure. She is the host of the Human Evolution podcast and the creator of Mind Drop Rocks, a project centred on gratitude, nervous system regulation, and human connection.

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